Post by Jörg Fischer on Aug 8, 2012 4:51:52 GMT -8
Hello from Germany,
an early 1962 (VIN #0013585) is (again) for sale in Germany, see ebxx-auction #170891465402. From abroad you will probably have to use ebxx.de or ebxx.co.uk to look up the auction.
For many years it was in posession of J.-P. S. from Leipzig, Germany. He sold it in 2010, together with a red one.
The condition was/is rather poor. The pictures in the ebay auction show that the car has been properly cleaned, and the photographer knows how to hide the bad spots. What you see is the best there is, what you not see is a lot of work, especially concerning the sheet metal. You will not only (very likely) need a "new" body, but also a "new" chassis.
Of course, everything is restorable, so you can make a complete reconstruction around the VIN plate, but the (German) ebxx text "from my point of view - as a laymen - it's a substantially good car" is a joke. Funny to read in the seller's feedback the (negative!) comment from a buyer "owns a car shop and sells as a private..."
I have pictures from the car back from 2010 that show how messed and rusty the body really is. A hardcore project, and already more than 3.000$...?!
Post by Jörg Fischer on Sept 9, 2012 3:11:35 GMT -8
Update: that T34 sold for about 4.000 Euro. The new owner, a T34 newbie with no contacts to other Karmann people realized the real condition and put it up to ebxx at once with a less "candy-coated" description.
The new auction, number 261094408404, ends 16. Sep. 2012. Bids already reached 2.300 Euro (minimum bid not reached yet) with 6 days to go.
Since the current owner lives only 10 miles away I offered him to make a complete survey and set up a list (with prices for the needed parts), so he can decide if he can handle the project himself. I also offered to help him sell the T34 within the T34 scene and/or help him to buy a better car for himself.
He wants to wait what happens in the auction, so I think if he manages to sell the car for a decent price to get off lightly ("with a swollen eye only" as we say over here), his T34 career will be over.
Post by Matthias Andree on Sept 18, 2012 2:46:39 GMT -8
Hi together, I´m following this discussion for a fiew while and I´m a little bit concerned about the future of this T34. In my opinion the existing number of T34 Ghias is too low to put down 34s likes this as rusty nightmares with no chance to get back on roads agian ever. Even worse is to notice that Ghias in same conditions as that blue one are more often will be cut into pieces for a quick Dollar or Euro. Every cut Ghia is one more missing on the roads, right?! Of cours sometimes the economical aspect is important, but would it not be better to help (or offer help) to restore a T34 like this, instead of "painting everything black" ?? For example with a workshop or other helping hands? We in Germany say:" one hand washes the other"
This days I restore a friend´s 1968 sunroof T34 automatic. So a very nice teamwork developed and even the (working) costs are to be kept low. He also never beliefed to restore a car by his own - and it was the same condition as the blue one...
Please don´t get me wrong, but I feel that sometimes dreams of (maybe new) T34 owners are destroyed too fast by overdrawn statements... I hope that blue T34 will be back on roads some day - and the seller will find a new project to get his T34 !
My dream also came true (see pic below) and in "Introduce Yourself" and it was more than ready for the junk yard...
In my opinion the existing number of T34 Ghias is too low to put down 34s likes this as rusty nightmares with no chance to get back on roads agian ever.
Guten Abend Matthias,
no one said that there is no chance to get this T34 back on the road. I (and a few others) are just wondering, how people bid a lot of money on a car without seeing it, and - on the other hand - how sellers don't tell the truth about the real condition. So at the end this T34 will pass along and along and not get any better.
In fact, Jens - the former owner from Leipzig - was (is) skillful enough to restore that T34 even in this poor condition. He collected many parts during the years, that obviously sold separately by the (previous) owner of the 1st auction. So a (new) buyer with no or little contacs to the T34 scene has to start over from the beginning.
In fact, Carsten and I were in contact with the "new" owner already (the seller of the recent ebay auction) and (since the T34 is now located only a few miles from my home) I offered to visit him, make a realistic survey and evaluating of the car and either:
a) help him with parts, prices and knowledge and to get in contact with the right people to buy parts
b) help him to sell the T34 (for a resonable price) to someone capable of restoring it properly
c) help him to buy a better T34 (restored or unrestored)
but the seller refused and said he wants to wait what happens in the auction.
So very likely the T34 will change homes again and we will never again hear from the current seller.